20 February 2006
My reply to a rather interesting email.
If I read you correctly, you’re saying that human nature is a conception. (Actually, that’s a near direct quote) In other words, it’s a idea developed by mind, more than a thing that is tangible and real. In other words, it’s again not a nature, but an idea -- like the idea of a dragon, or the idea that it might rain today, or it might not. There’s the conception of human nature, but not the reality of it. If I understand you correctly, do you see the muddle I’m hinting at? You’re at once stating that there is a nature, and then swiftly denying it.
The question can be clearly rephrased: Is there something fundamental to the human, inherent in it, a thing (or things) which -- in terms of behavior and thought -- allow us to say, “This is, generally, how a human behaves -- or how we expect a human to behave.” It seems absurd, to me, to say that there isn’t a nature, just as it’d be absurd to say, “There is no nature of gravity; merely a conception.” For their to be a conception, there must be a nature which the conception describes; else, there is only imagination, the fairy and the dragon, and we’d be utterly incapable of interacting with the world. So -- I’d say that this argument (unless you utterly disagree with me, and you’re -- of course -- encouraged to) would be best framed in terms of the character of that nature, and its capabilities and limitations.
(As a side note, in response to your side note -- I’m hardly arguing for the perspective that you’ve grown up with, Theologically. I, myself, have grave difficulty with the particular idea that man is utterly depraved; the particular view seems nonsensical. But I think you’re doing an injustice to that perspective. #1, a position is hardly justified based on whether you enjoy it or not. #2, if man -- in line with one -- were utterly evil, it would follow that man would be worthy of death. Theologically, that’d follow. Morally, that’d follow. It is the natural extension of #1, and hardly ludicrous or absurd as such. The point, in fact, is rather trenchant, since it clearly follows from #1. #3, you may be, anyway, misconstruing that particular position -- I’m not sure that many would argue that man was utterly evil, so much as separated. The fall story merely indicate that man will sin, and will therefore be separated from God because he’s just not good enough, in the presence of utter good. It’d be somewhat akin to having a requirement for a certain purity for chemical processes. Certain purity levels are required, in certain acid reactions. An acid with less than the requisite purity is not bad acid; it’s merely not pure enough for the purposes. I think that’d be more in keeping with the Fall Narrative than the “utterly evil” mantra. Utterly evil also implies, in my mind, the impossibility of any sort of redemption. -- and, if that were the actually theological significance of the fall narrative, I’d agree with you. Utter Depravity is more of a Calvinistic position, and I tend to find Calvinism a bit.... foolish. Anyway, again, I’m not trying to define a position here -- because my position is so murky -- , so much as to point out that your conception is more passionate than gracious. -- though I’m not sure I made the point as clearly as I’d wish.)
This only occurs to me only now, but would I be wrong sensing that you’re being presumptive regarding my position on human nature? -- or, even, the reasoning behind my position (such as it is) on human nature? As I skim through your email, I’m realizing that many of your arguments aren’t necessarily in reply to our discussion, but a particular discussion we never, in fact, had. The last bit, particularly...
Back to the topic -- several points. You say, “The question is, does this nature even exist?” The reality that you’re capable of identifying a thing called “human” implies the presence of the nature. If a thing has no nature -- that is, no thing that makes it identifiable as that thing, nothing which can be classified... it hardly exists, or we cannot know it. The formal logic: to know a thing, it must have a nature which can be identified. Humans can be identified. Therefore, humans have a nature.
“If it does, wouldn’t we be bound to it somehow with no inquisition? ” -- I’m not entirely sure what that means. The universe has a certain nature, classifiable qualities inherent to its existence. Are we bound to it, without the capacity to explore it? Certainly, we’re limited -- but the exploration reveals what are real and what are artificial boundaries.
“Shouldn’t we KNOW our own instincts instead of questioning them?” -- can we know anything without questioning? Do children just “know” things, or do they learn through questioning? Certainly, they “know” certain things -- the more reflexive behaviors, etc -- but they generally learn through trial and error, through questions, through exploration. You’ve learned who you are through questioning, come to certain conclusions about this world -- if they are accurate, you ought to know them from birth, at least according to your reasoning. Or, the things you’ve considered do not, in fact, exist, since you didn’t inherently know them. Life explores, develops, and learns. It’d not be specious, I think, to identify that as part of the nature of life.
“But can the nature of things ever be truly answered without doubt or inquiry?” -- Well, no. I’m a mite confused by this point. It occurs to me that you’re likely being rhetorical with the previous questions, since this seems rather inconsistent with the previous. I’m not sure if you’re arguing for or against inquiry, or whether you’re implying that I ought to be for or against inquiry. By way of response, though, let me say this -- things can be answered without doubt or inquiry, at least in a superficial manner. Without doubt or inquiry, I can say that I exist, since it would be a logical mess to try and argue otherwise. (“I sense that I exist, but I don’t exist.” Eh?). Doubt and inquiry may extend the understanding of my existence. I may understand -- without much doubt or inquiry -- that fire hurts. But inquiry leads me to believe that fire can be beneficial... So, my answer is yes and no -- but the most productive way is inquiry.
“Or is this the essence of nature. That once we come to a logical conclusion the nature of paradoxicalness claims it all for itself...” Are you saying that human nature can be whittled down to “they inquire”? If so, that’s an interesting thought, though hardly paradoxical. If that is the whole of human nature (I don’t believe it is: I think we all know incurious people, and would hardly describe them as “inhuman”), it’d be more logically consistent than paradoxical...
Eh -- this is all too long. I’m going to stop now. Reply if you will -- and, if I get a chance, I’ll discuss a bit more with you on the LCD problem which was the genesis of this discussion. But clarify, if you will. I’d like to understand more of your thoughts.